Aspies Don't Have Emotions?

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Sharon
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A young woman's frustrations and pain of being able to "fake" being NT too well that many people don't recognize her autism.   [Watch VIDEO]

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This is a thought-provoking video, and I highly recommend viewing. Although I shared my thoughts on Facebook already, I wanted to add a few things that are too personal to post on that forum.

I spent many years worrying myself sick over what other people needed me to be, and my compulsive desire to please others nearly killed me. I will not make that mistake again. While it pains me to see another woman in pain and trying so hard to pretend to be normal, I understand her struggle too well and engaged in it for far too long to feel anything but sorrow and compassion for her.

Anyway, personally I hope we can arrive at a place where we can talk about survival on our own terms rather than with respect to what is comfortable for NTs. I don't think we do anyone any favors when we protect them from what is different about us. I totally get it about the practical need not to blather on endlessly about obscure interests. That is hard for anyone, NT or autistic, to tolerate.  So I do think some degree of self-control can be a good thing. But I don't think we need to go so far as to literally become a persona we can't sustain when we are in our own company.

I definitely don't think it's worth a heart condition or depression or an ulcerated colon to bend over backwards juggling a hundred balls at once and trying to make that look easy. It isn't, and it's okay to let people know that.

Anyway, I totally understand about how friendships can grow more challenging the more one lets one's autistic hair down. I'm at the phase now, after acceptance, when I'm trying to find the balance again, so that I'm not a total porcupine and forbidding to all who encounter me. And yet, on the other hand, it is a relief, a huge relief, just to be me a lot of the time. It feels a whole heck of lot more honest.

Coming out with my friends felt like the first authentic thing I've done in a long time. Now I feel a bit precious, to put it mildly, as if I'm a specimen to be held at arm's length. Several women I was close to, married (like me) to men with AS but themselves probably NT, are freaked out and avoiding me. When we do talk, they try to convince me I have to be mistaken about my AS. "If you have it, then we all have it, and that is just too weird to contemplate," they complain. I don't know what to say to that. I miss my friends. But I won't lie to them or myself anymore. Do I think they have it? I'm not sure. That's not for me to say. I am sad that they are so insecure that they can't just deal with me. I'm still me. 

Sad, but there's no going back. I won't go back. Only forward.

 

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This video made me cry and feel angry all at once.  I totally understand her frustrations.  I think it's terrible that people insist we don't have and ASD just because we've learnt to cover it up.

Arlene

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To play the devil's advocate, I wonder if these naysayers really understand all that much about what ASD is to begin with. I find it sort of comical that they should presume to be authorities in such matters. 

I don't think this is true of NTs as a group, more the providence of busybodies, who come from every sort of group out there. They just have to be know-it-alls and lecture other people as if they don't have a lick of sense in their heads. 

Perhaps it comes from low self-esteem. I'm not sure. Some of my family members do this. They are not the happiest individuals.

 

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I watched the video on YouTube and it provoked many feelings.

First, the title of the video: "Aspies don't have Emotions?". I am convinced that just as we, as Aspies, can find NTs difficult to 'read', NTs also find Aspies difficult to read. Apparently I don't show much emotion on my face when people are talking to me, which makes people I don't have emotions. I have sometimes been told that I look bored when actually I'm very interested! Alternatively, I don't show distress on my face when I am distressed...

I think my 'poker face' is due to me needing to concentrate a lot when talking to people to be able to process the interaction. I have poor eye contact because I find faces distracting and so I often look puzzled. NTs are accustomed to reading other NTs' emotions by their facial expressions and body language, but Aspies communicate mainly using words and with less (or different) body language.

Second, camouflaging my Aspie-ness. I have learnt the 'right' things to say and in certain situations I can easily pass for NT (but a rather obsessive-compulsive, geeky NT). Other times I say the wrong things. Sometimes I agonise for hours about whether I had said or done the right thing when with people because I fear being misunderstood and consequent rejection...     

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Interesting about the idea that NTs can't read Aspie emotions. 

My housemate and I are both on the spectrum and can read each other REALLY well, but not necessarily the NTs around us.  We also have other friends on the spectrum who we agree are MUCH easier to read than most NTs. 

 

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Before I watch the video, I have to say I resent like the devil the assertion by NTs that we Aspies are cold and unfeeling.  If I let myself have the meltdown I'd like to have at that slap in the face, they'd see some Aspie emotion erupting with white-hot intensity.  They have no idea what I'm feeling inside.  They have no idea that my emotional life can get so intense sometimes that I have to shut down because it's overwhelming.  If anything, I think I feel things more intensely than they do. 

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I watched the video.  Her intended audience was know-it-all NTs, so I hope it isn't just viewed here and in the Asperger's community.  This was wrenching to watch.

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Sharon thanks for sharing that video. It's like being caught between a rock and a hard place - do I pretend to be NT for acceptance, but then they aren't accepting the real me, or do I be the real me and freak ppl out with my autism?

Jennifer

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I could have written most of these responses, particularly TabithaKitten's... except that I haven't learnt all that well to imitate NTs.  In controlled settings, I have roles I play (or used to play... I am now totally disabled with CFS): greeter, business person, mediator, facilitator, but they are roles that I embody in my own way.  I'm not imitating as much as I am being a role.  (I can't seem to explain the difference, eh?) I suppose I come off a bit geeky at times.  In settings that are not controlled, I have no idea how to be other than to be myself and that's where I run into trouble.  I am most always real/authentic in social situations.  

Mostly, I am high functioning enough that most people find me to be interesting, self reflective, and personable... until they get to know me and then, I finally hear words like, "weird."  And that's when I find that people originally thought I was also probably judgmental (funny, they almost always assume I'm a vegetarian too) when they first met me, which explains the nervousness that I often see in others.  (I've been told it is a combination of how I look and my voice that gives rise to this.  Apparently, I sound like the college professor you'd love to hate except you respect her teaching ability.) 

I've learned how to do minimal amounts of small talk (perhaps that is imitation), which leaves me feeling as if bamboo shoots are being shoved under my finger nails.  I want to run around screaming at the inanity, though I think I get why NTs do it.  I just don't get the same thing out of it that they do.  If they got the same thing I do, I doubt NTs would engage in it.  So I don't think I'm very good at imitating... the bamboo shoot thing is too uncomfortable.  Playing roles where I have some sort of purpose, however, seems another thing altogether and does not stress me in the same way... however, I couldn't live my whole life like that.

I'm tired of being told I am weird.  But worse, I am tired of NTs assuming that they know my intent simply because they do not understand me or my behaviors.

As a talker, as someone who knew she was a talker since she was a kid, as someone who has not liked this aspect about myself and have tried to develop self control over the years even before getting my Asperger's diagnosis this year at age 54, I find this aspect of who I am to be the most difficult.  

In controlled environments, I can easily follow rules: No more than four comments during a day as a participant.  In church during talk back, I could now not open my mouth to comment but once every month instead of every Sunday (but it took my seeing that others were talking about me to realize I needed to institute that rule).  I can log the comments and stick to the rules I develop most of the time.  

However, in uncontrolled environments, either my excitement (about talking with someone I can relate to) or my social anxiety get the better of me and my talking can get out of control.

Last year, just prior to the diagnosis, as I was unwittingly assigned a role in a "friend's" childhood trauma drama that she was re-enacting, this friend determined that because I talked so much that I was narcissistic (and also nefarious... though, she would projecting her own insecurities onto my weirdness to arrive at that).  I've been tested and my psychologist would say otherwise, as would my mother who seems to know me better than anyone else and can't understand why any one would interpret me in a nefarious way (me neither... I can't see myself... I don't have any idea how others see me except for having too many interests to the point that I could engage in endless in-depth conversations about everything because the whole universe is so fucking interesting).  Indeed, one of the examples the "friend" used to prove that I am a narcissist was that I once talked with her for 20 minutes about grout and then wanted to show her the grout in my sunroom.Embarassed  Grout.  Sigh.

Frankly, at this point, after the wringer I've been through in dealing with NTs who get me even less than I get them, I don't want to interact with anyone in the real world.  

 

 

 

~~~ Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kurt Vonnegut

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i falled in love someone, i am really emotional, this video makes me upset. i am normal as normal people