social skills turn taking and group work
I am at uni studying speech and language therapy where there are 30 of us. a lot of the time the tutors are at the front and we are all facing them then they ask us our opinions/ knowledge on and area and we are able to take turns to raise anything we have to say. I find turn taking and recognising in this situation when another person has finished talking really heard any tips?
also when we are split into several groups all in the same room due to the genneral hum of nise from the other groups my brain just seems to stop working and i cant think of anything to say. It seems like i can no longer process due to the noise and end up giving very little input into my group just feeling like i am away in my own world. any ideas?
Northern NSW, Australia.
Yes I do find that I can engage better with children. I was just pondering this the other day.....how good at conversing I was with a group of 10 year olds, and wondered if this age was where my social/emotional development was actualy at. Probably why kids seems to come up to me a lot rather then to the other adults in a group, even their own parents.
It is interesting that I also look a lot younger for my age....and not that much taller then most 10 year olds anyway!
I also have a harder time when a conversation is more than one on one- even more so when it's on the phone. I can never tell when it's okay to say anything.
I am not comfortable with long conversations on the phone, especially if they are conference calls. Having visual clues helps me, as I don't always pick up on intonations. One of my stickiest problems with group conversations is that I am moderately face blind and terrible at remembering people, who is who, their names, etc.
I just met three people recently for lunch, whom I'd never met in person before. I'd just known them online. The worst part about it is after making good eye contact and having a very good conversation with them, I am confident that I would not recognize them the next time I see them. This can be so awkward.
Often it takes me at least 3-4 times to "fix" someone's face/name in my memory.
I understand the failure to recognize people and fix them into memory issue. I think it is because i have to see them a few times to find the other patterns of recognition. They way they walk, their voice, their general hairstyle, their gait, their mannerism, scars, marks, etc. once i have those other things... as long as they are moving i can spot them. If i see them sitting and not moving i can not and it's torture. I've learned to stop saying "oh hi __?__. Until they move and i'm sure.
But to answer the original comment about when to talk in groups, etc. I use the good ole fashion raising my hand coupled with (are you finished i didn't want to interupt you if your not).. can work. Learning the rhythm of the group just like you have to learn people. Takes a few times to learn the rhythm of when those people speak, etc. You might want to be bold and simply say upfront... hey gang, i have these issues (state generally) so i'm just gonna raise my hand when i have a thought cause i can't tell when people are finished and i don't want to be rude. then they just know. It's also ok to "go back". I often have to say..."well going back to that other issue i just wanted to say....." it's ok i guess. who cares.
If it's a tutor session (forgive i wasn't sure the context of this situation) but if it's a group tutor session on a subject for a class... then i really think it's totally appropriate to have disability accomodations for your disability. You might want to ask for a 1 on 1 tutor because of your dis. and it's fine to get a room that doesn't make your head buzz. If it were group therapy i'd say stick it out and use the group to practice social skills and timing, etc. But if the goal is to learn the subject matter and do well, screw the learning op and get your needs met. Sorry :( i'm from NY... we are born with not filters on what we say when heated up, grin. Hope that helped. ugh.
If is a group you really need and or want to stay a part of, then take a moment at the beginning of the group and share what you need to that would help you feel more comfortable. If it were me... I'd totally write it down and read it or i'd die a thousand times before i got it out, grin. Best of luck.
Jen
Jen, I know what you are talking about with the difficulty with recognizing people. For me, I if they change their hair, I will not recognise them. I also tend to focus on a persons mouth when they talk, so I don't notice much else about them, unless they are talking . I think I just figured out why I do this. Last week, I was visiting my aunt at the hospital( she overdosed on meds) and she was really really sedated, and was very hard to understand. My auditory listening skills are not that good in the best of situations. I found that it really helped that I look at mouths, as I was able to understand much of what she said, by listening and looking at her lips as she talked. I wondered if this is a learned responce that I picked up along the way in my life, since I don't have the best processing ability with auditiory things. I can't just read lips, but with a combination of both, I can better understand what is being said. I am good at one on one conversations, to an extent, though I tend to dominate a conversation. If there are more than that that I am supposed to be talking to, I just can't keep up. Alot of people can follow a conversaatioin just by listening to all in the group without having to also lip read. I have sat in meetings, where it sounded like nonsense being spoken, ande they laughed at things that I just could not understand. I really wanted to run out of the room.
in the way of not knowing the give and take of conversation, others percieve me as rude since I keep interupting them. If I do realize that I interupted, I say sorry, go on...
My trouble is more not talking and not interrupting. I think I need to start a thread for the Aspie's who are talkers. 
To answer your first question, I find it helpful to raise my hand. It might look funny, but at least I know that when I'm called on, other people are finished talking. I'm awful at figuring out when someone is done talking. I'll even raise my hand during family conversations (I come from a larger family, though, and they're *all* talkative). Sometimes, it's not fixing what's wrong (i.e. not being able to read nonverbal cues so that I know when someone's done talking) but compensating for what's wrong (raising my hand, in this case).
Also, I deal with sensory overload by having something in my hand to fidget with. Like you, I have a tendency to go off into my own little world when there is too much going on. I've found it helpful to have a notebook for doodling, or a plastic bottle I can squeeze gently without making noise. Neither of those things is too distracting for the people around me, either. If I have something to relieve the stress/anxiety of too much sensory information, it's much easier for me to participate in groups.
Finally, hello from another SLP student!




No ideas but I was just thinking about turn taking tonight....
One on one I am fine in a conversation (in general). When in a group, I will hardly input at all. I just can't keep up with the constant volleying back and forth. I'll think of one thing to say and then someone else speaks and that reminds me of something else, but then my head is still stuck on the first thought which I haven't released yet...
Then yes just knowing when it is your turn, there is no pattern to it like one on one, where it is just you, other person, you, other person.
Then the confusion just gets too much and I can't even understand the words they are saying anymore and it just becomes noise!
The thing is I get frustrated because I do have lots of things to say (especially when all talking about a subject I might be particulary knowledgable in). Makes things worse when others who are able to input, are incorrect or haven't got a concept exactly right, and everyone else is listening to the incorrect information yet I am unable to debate the case otherwise!
Usually in the situation you descibed above I tend to have the habit of turning it into a one on one with me and the tutor, and no one else can get a word in!
"Just because someone does not speak, does not mean they have nothing to say."